Mudanças nas Tattoo ...

[shillien]

Olhem lá no forum do idragon que vai ter mudanças nas tattoo. Aproveitem e postem as suas opniões lá. Está na parte de GERAL (eu entro pelo http://www.idragon3d.com e de lá entro no forum, se eu for no forum mesmo não consigo porque estou banido de lá).

Here i got now a big problem, checking the tattoos and what camed out?
This:
Code:
skill_begin skill_name = [s_deleted2] /* [삭제됨] */ skill_id = 7003 level = 1 operate_type = P effect = {{p_attack_speed;{all};33;per}} skill_end
skill_begin skill_name = [s_deleted3] /* [삭제됨] */ skill_id = 7004 level = 1 operate_type = P effect = {{p_physical_attack;{all};12;per}} skill_end
skill_begin skill_name = [s_deleted4] /* [삭제됨] */ skill_id = 7005 level = 1 operate_type = P effect = {{p_damage_shield;15}} skill_end
skill_begin skill_name = [s_deleted5] /* [삭제됨] */ skill_id = 7006 level = 1 operate_type = P effect = {{p_speed;{all};33;diff}} skill_end
skill_begin skill_name = [s_deleted6] /* [삭제됨] */ skill_id = 7007 level = 1 operate_type = P effect = {{p_magical_attack;{all};65;per}} skill_end
skill_begin skill_name = [s_deleted7] /* [삭제됨] */ skill_id = 7008 level = 1 operate_type = P effect = {{p_critical_rate;33;per}} skill_end
skill_begin skill_name = [s_deleted8] /* [삭제됨] */ skill_id = 7009 level = 1 operate_type = P effect = {{p_defence_attribute;attr_bleed;-40}} skill_end
skill_begin skill_name = [s_deleted9] /* [삭제됨] */ skill_id = 7010 level = 1 operate_type = P effect = {{p_max_hp;15;per}} skill_end
skill_begin skill_name = [s_deleted10] /* [삭제됨] */ skill_id = 7011 level = 1 operate_type = P effect = {{p_magic_speed;{all};23;per}} skill_end
skill_begin skill_name = [s_deleted11] /* [삭제됨] */ skill_id = 7012 level = 1 operate_type = P effect = {{p_physical_defence;{armor_heavy};113.3;diff}} skill_end
skill_begin skill_name = [s_deleted12] /* [삭제됨] */ skill_id = 7013 level = 1 operate_type = P effect = {{p_physical_defence;{armor_light};40.5;diff};{p_avoid;{armor_light};7;diff}} skill_end
skill_begin skill_name = [s_deleted13] /* [삭제됨] */ skill_id = 7014 level = 1 operate_type = P effect = {{p_defence_attribute;attr_hold;-80};{p_defence_attribute;attr_sleep;-80};{p_defence_attribute;attr_derangement;-80}} skill_end



This is the code of the tattoos, a you can see the skills have the name deleted_, name not given by me but from ncsoft itself. They removed them (those kind of tattoo) still during the beta of C1. But, watching the effect (quite self explanatory) you can easily find them:
-Flame: +65% matk
-Bravery +33% critical rate
etc...

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First important thing to say about tattos:
1. they are passive effects
2. they don't consume mana
3. they are way cheap and easily to buy (any shop)
4. they don't use buff slots
5. they stack with anything

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Ok, let's analyze some of them:

1-Flame: +65%matk.
Uhm... what can i say: "OMFGPWND!"... wtf is this!? +65% (%!!!). Let's compare with other similar effect:
- SA: Empower (quite high level crystal): around +40 (not %)
- SA: Magic Power (lvl10+ crystal): around +140 (not %) and -15% mp
- 7Signs gives +40% (server event).
uhm... something wrong... let's test it ingame:
-no weapon, only tattoo: 1011 matk
-elemental sword (A grade): 640 matk
-elemental sword + SA Magic Power: 848 matk
-Tattoo + elemental sword + Sa Magic Power + Wild Magic + 7Sign + Other buffs: i will not write it. is better for your heart.... think only that i oneshotted lvl76 mobs with some fast and lowpower spells.
Why without weapon and just a fucking tattoo i have more matk than a huber and rare sword with SA and drawbacks!? Something is wrong....

2-Soul: +33% attack speed.
The HASTE (SA) gives no more than +10% (the best case of the best weapon)
The weapons speeds are:
low = 293
normal = 325
fast = 379
very fast = 422
Now... do some calculations...
325+33%=432
uhm.......... more than two steps. The "Light" SA and the QuickRecovery don't give so much, they are (at best) an "half-step"... here instead we get two full steps and more.
Of course no drawbacks and totally cheap (compared to any quer or Haste weapon)
Of course there isn't any buff so powerful. Also the strongest potions gives at max a +15% (for just a buff time and using buff slot)... not +33% (permanent)

3-Avadon: +23% magic speed
Uhm... the SA ACUMEN gives no more than +15%... and isn't easy to make. also there isn't any buff that reach so much (+23%). Jus test yourself, the tattoo itself is more powerful than any possible SA/buff...

4-Bravery: +33% to critical rate
Uhm... big lol, i think TH is happy with this tattoo... ViciousStance gives no more than +19% and eats mana like hell... this is free +33% without drawbacks... Of course this +33% beat up any MightMortal weapon.

5-Divine: +80 (is a %) as protection against some effects...
Uhm... is really similar to Mental Shield... too bad that mental shield gives just +50%... holy, this is a free anti-anything... no good.

6-Power: +12%. Ok, this seems balanced but... only seems (near all the others).
Uhm... every mastery is just a +1 (no %), the Anger SA is just a +30 (not %) and reduces HP too... here we have +12% without a blink... no drawbacks. just +12% of power. lol. do some calculation, for a DDealer is like having 6-7 Angers without drawbacks!

7-Fire. Ok, this one in nearly good. Nothing to say. Is a "mid" blazing skin (that goes from 10% to 20%). If we change the others of course we will add a small drawback, that's all.

8- The other two (don't remember the name) that gives mastery to armors. Uhm, they are quite ok. those are the level of a lvl40 mastery, no more.

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Second important thing to say about character stats and how buffs and effect should work on it:

0- The BASE: Char base stats and base passive skills of that level/race/class. This is standard, you can't change them and all the progressions are the same for the same level/race/class.
1- TATTOO: first layer of personalization, should change minimal stats to allow the player to personalize the "base". They become passive. Anyone can get them in shop.
2- SA (Weapon Special Ability) mid level change. They are usually passive and they alter the player stats. Difficult to get them.
3- BUFF high level change, it need a char called "Buffer" to use them (means another player, not a bot, please), they greatly change the stats of the player, they use buff-slots and they are temporary. In this section there are the potions, a layer a bit lower than BUFF. Both need cooperation with other players (meaning of the MMORPG)

How actually is working:
0- Base
1- SA
2- BUFF
3- Tattoo (doing the bigger changes, some of them are stronger than any buff combo)

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Consideration: Actual tattoos aren't good. They are totally overpowered and they don't have drawbacks.
How is on official:
1- they don't have those kind of tattos
2- they have tattoos that change the base stats (STR,DEX,INT,etc...) and for every +X you get in a stat, you get -X in another one (drawback). Usually you lost more than what you get. more info here on DYEs and you will figure out that you get +3 and you loose -5... lol.
3- you can wear three of them (at high level).

What we can implement and what we cannot?
1- we can allow only 1 tattoo at a time (sad, i know)
2- we can't change the base stats, but only the usual ones (means all the others over, like matk, patk, mdef, pdef, accuracy, etc...)

What is our proposal?
We can choose:
a) remove them totally (i'm not really of this opinion)
b) nerf them a lot like half of the effect of the best SA (so you will have basically the Tattoo following the same SA rules, but a bit less powerful and still stackable with SA)
c) nerf only the huber ones (that +65% must not exists) and insert drawbacks. For example, if you get a +10% patk, you will get a -10% in pdef (this should +/- follow how official works). If we follow this (and we are thinking really about this) we will implement various version and some new tattoo too that follow this line (because we like the idea too). Of course all still stackable with anything else.
d) leave the server (no, you aren't forced, but lately for anything i say they just say "i will leave the server". I received this kind of messages also for the implementation of 7Sign and for the future TOI. What to say: LOL! Is like an automatic message for every post i do on "Follow the Sick Rabbit" :'D

We will not accept any option E (means keep them as they are, because is not right and you know it better than me watching those info)


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p.s. option (D) means you have nothing to say/complain. We will do by our own. If you choose that you have no right to talk in this forum or to me, make your server, go out with a girl, throw yourself under a car. The world is big... but before: read the first rule of iDragon3D.

[Pereirao]

Escolho a opção E... Sou contra mudanças de regra com o jogo em andamento ( quem faz muito isso são nossos queridos governantes )

Como o próprio Drake diz, as tatoos são baratas e qualquer um pode tê-las. Elas dão um puta overpower ? Foda-se ! Cabe a cada player utilizá-las da melhor maneira.

[Zazuzaryan]

já fiz meminha escolha.....agora quero ver....vai haver muita mudança....vou levar ainda mais porrada que é habitual.....e sem Tatoo of Soul...nem uma porradinha vou poder dar.....